Thursday, April 05, 2012

More POSTS IN FAVOR OF FLEET CONSOLIDATION

Newest ones are at the bottom.
Since not alot of folks comment on here, I thought I'd share some of my favorite deckboss comments.
1. 58 foot limit. The 58 foot limit is being held up right now by the buyback.
So if you are with the maintaining the 58 foot limit crowd you oughtta be in favor of the buyback.

2. The payout to bring the total permits to 315 has already been paid for you.

SEAS stopped the 1% ASMI Tax in 2004. So you have 8% in savings to draw from .

If this passes- and if we don't do more buying back- we'll pay 3% in 2012, then as low as 1% thereafter.
If this is the case, then it's already been paid for.

3. ONLY 1 of the SEAS board out of 13 is selling a permit. I've heard comments about past SEAS board members, but we cannot and do not control what someone says 15 years after they got off the board whether they are Tom Manos or Mike Svenson.
The fleet is 63 out of 366 for a 1 in 6 ratio as opposed to our 1 in 13.

So it looks like the fleet has more collective insider information than the SEAS board.

4. 271. That was the optimum number in 1974. Trying to get there. Bummer was that that was with the Fido, Marysville, Oregon City, Veribus, Binkie, et. al. and the fleet is 5 times more efficient than we were then. The first Delta wasn't even built yet. Now we have around 80-100 of them in the fleet.

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Anonymous said...

Anyone with skin in the game should be allowed to vote. It's not like there are enough bidders to win a majority anyway.

At the end of the day, it's a good long term business decision, and I will vote for it. The next round will make it even better, and I'm willing to bet that after the higher fish prices and lower interest rates are accounted for, the tax will be far less than 3% in a couple years.

March 1, 2012 10:02 PM


Anonymous said...

To whom it may concern:
I have had my own vessel for 4 seasons in Southeasternalaska. I crewed for 10 years before that time. And I believe in the buyback. I know you are all entitled to your opinions but I am 34 years old with a family of four. And I see the buyback as the only solution. It is the only reason I joined seseinersassociation. And I plan on paying this assessment for fortie years or more. I live in a rural town in southeasternalaska. And we see city slickers, other cities in Alaska, and other outsiders getting into the fishery. And we want to freeze the number as soon as possible. I believe we could have done it cheaper many years ago and wonder why we did not do so. But now we are where we are and please do the right thing for my future. And the future of
My children
Vote yes

January 31, 2012 6:28 PM


Anonymous said...

Yes is a smart vote IMHO.
All SE gear groups are too crowded.
All fleets these days are very mobile, catch fish one opening
and count on a crowd for the next opening. With cell phones everyone
gets instant catch reports from all
areas. No more secrets, big sets
are on youtube before the next
announcement comes out.
I wish the seiners luck and hope
the trollers & gilnetters follow.

January 30, 2012 6:51 PM


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes vote registering in.
Way to go SEAS and PSVOA.

January 30, 2012 6:04 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I Vote my pocket book. I vote Yes. And so does my cousin and best freind. And I live in AK. Held a permit since 1992. Don't know nobody on the list hardly but don't care either.

January 30, 2012 6:17 PM

Anonymous
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate SEAS and PSVOA. They suck. But I remember how hard it was to make a living just a few short years ago. With the uncertainty of hatcheries, access, fights with gillnetters, subsistence, sport and such we need to get our numbers down. Also remember how much this fishery has changed. I vote yes also.

January 30, 2012 6:20 PM


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes vote registering in.
Way to go SEAS and PSVOA.

January 30, 2012 6:04 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I Vote my pocket book. I vote Yes. And so does my cousin and best freind. And I live in AK. Held a permit since 1992. Don't know nobody on the list hardly but don't care either.

January 30, 2012 6:17 PM


Anonymous said...
More boats to show up in 2013 !!! Get your vote mailed early, they have to be returned within 30 days, not postmarked within 30 days.

Anonymous said...
More boats to show up in 2013 !!! Get your vote mailed early, they have to be returned within 30 days, not postmarked within 30 days.
Anonymous said...
NMFS is telling everybody the tax will be dropped to 1% after this season. Once you factor in you crews share of that, it's less than one percent. That is a small price to pay to guaranty those permits will never fish again.

It's not about how many permits fished the last 10 years, it's about how many will fish in the next 20. Its clear what that trend is.

Voting no is a poor business decision guys.

April 1, 2012 9:33 AM
Anonymous said...
Am I missing something here?

"current economics" have piles of New boats entering the fishery.

Current economics have the processors financing boats for new guys, and actively soliciting gillnetters to switch over.

Current economics have the boatbuilders back in business and a bunch more new boats coming.

Current economics have guys coming up from California and new boats coming in from CAnada, more every year.

How Exactly is it that current economics have 'balanced this fleet' to the point this trend will not continue?

April 1, 2012 9:41 AM

. Come on guys! Do your homework...don't let Bobby do it for you! For far too long we have let him and his select co-horts tell us what is best for the fleet. Think for yourself! Don"t let a guy who has every angle of this industry covered to ensure he and those who blindly support him flourish, no matter what the run. Bobby is a numbers man..he is only expecting 70% of seiners to return the buyback balloting because they are otherwise engaged in participating in longline & herring. They are busy making a living while he is busy "phoning friends" to get his "life's work" passed


B T said...
Housebill 484 2006 is the optimum number protection mechanism

Too exclusive- like sitka on the year the guys made $250 avg in 45 minutes. Ruled to be not too exclusive and it stands today, 20 years later.

Too exclusive would be if we wait a couple years and get to 330 and then drop it to 275. If we never let it get to 330 but maintain at 275, there is hardly a case as the obvious OPIMUM NUMBER is that which is fishing currently in a surplus permit market situation. "So opt. number for 2011 279. optimum number for the decade is 235-250

bobbyt

April 1, 2012 2:17 PM
B T said...
7. OPTIMUM # protection. IF there is a lawsuit, and there was against Sitka Sac Roe, and after 10 years they came up with.... you guessed it 51 permits ( there's 48 now) when there were 51 permits grossing $250,000 in a half hour. EVEN if we ever got rich and steady enough runs to add permits, after a decade of lawsuits, then the state of Alaska would pay us for those permits under HB484--- passed in 2006 by sponsor Peggy Wilson in the Alaska State Legislature.

April 1, 2012 2:26 PM
Bruce W said...
this is a question of sustaining economics, there is only; price of fish, number/pounds of fish, and number of units of gear fishing. Where is there any possibility of the fleet controlling some part of their enviroment? It makes sense to have some opportunity to positively effect your investment and to create for your crews a adequate living.

April 1, 2012 2:59

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